eBay NVRAM vs PCMHacking NVRAM
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:53 am
It has come to our attention that there are now Real-Time PCM and ECU conversions being sold online. While we welcome users sourcing their own RT setups we are finding it increasingly difficult to support the unknown hardware being sold elsewhere. While we are happy to help with tuning related queries, all hardware configuration and usage questions must be done with the supplier.
To also help show the differences in what you are getting this is a quick overview and comparison of a NVRAM to suit VS Ecotec and later PCM.
Delcohacking.net / PCMHacking.net PCM NVRAM Genuine Dallas DS1245Y
Industrial temp rating suitable for automotive cabin use
70 or 85ns access speed (the ECU/PCM requires 150ns or faster)
Professionally made PCB using SMD and quality hardware
Power supply filtering
Selectable for VS or VT
Removable jumper to disable writing for when your finished tuning
Easily removable DS1245Y for reprogramming to different vehicles
Support forum containing the developers and active user community.
Genuine PCMHacking products are available in the for sale section here: http://pcmhacking.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=14
Typical eBay RT PCM Cheap counterfeit* DS1245Y
Unknown temperature rating
Unknown access speed rating
Unknown internal (sealed) battery condition
Requires a special adapter for reprogramming (DS1245Y soldered direct to memcal base)
Not jumper selectable for either VS and VT, requires a new unit
Limited support from seller – they direct you to the delcohacking.net forums
Majority of included software and bins developed on delcohacking
* Reply from maxim (who own dallas) on the counterfeit DS1245Y..
“We have no records of manufacturing a product matching the one in your
photo (DS1245Y-100+ 1116L 291972).
We are very aware of counterfeit NVSRAM products being peddled by
brokers, especially via the internet.
We strongly suggest that you purge these units, and see if you can
locate the vendor that sold you those parts; return them for a refund.
(If you wish to help us stop this activity, tell us who it was.)”
Some further notes on counterfeit DS1245Ys
If you are planning on building your own it is becoming increasingly difficult to purchase genuine Dallas DS1245Y NVRAMs. Almost every unit on eBay is counterfeit, the short of it is they are not cheap. Even in larger (10,000+) quantity's you are paying good money per unit. If you want a genuine unit I would suggest buying from a large reputable electronics chain such as Mouser or Digikey.
Of course like all cheap things you get what you pay for. They do not use the same rating and quality of battery as in the genuine article, you will be lucky to get a year or so before it goes flat. This will leave you stranded on the roadside if you dont have a backup memcal. Being a sealed unit the battery is not easily replaceable, so it will loose all the data and become completely unusable. The counterfeits also tend to corrupt very easily.
Because of the use of CR type batteries it could at worst lead to a fire hazard, they dont have a high temperature rating, 60 DegC MAX and that is from a quality brand like panasonic, so the cheap batteries would have much less than this, say 40-50c. Cabin temperatures can easily get this high in a parked car, BR type battery's as used in the Standard genuine ones are rated to 85 DegC. The nvram's for sale on delcohacking are industrial rated, these have a rated working environment of -40 to +85degc with a guaranteed 10yrs minimum use.
Some users on delcohacking pulled appart a counterfeit unit to see what really goes on inside ..
https://pcmhacking.net/forums/viewtopi ... 45y#p18600
To also help show the differences in what you are getting this is a quick overview and comparison of a NVRAM to suit VS Ecotec and later PCM.
Delcohacking.net / PCMHacking.net PCM NVRAM Genuine Dallas DS1245Y
Industrial temp rating suitable for automotive cabin use
70 or 85ns access speed (the ECU/PCM requires 150ns or faster)
Professionally made PCB using SMD and quality hardware
Power supply filtering
Selectable for VS or VT
Removable jumper to disable writing for when your finished tuning
Easily removable DS1245Y for reprogramming to different vehicles
Support forum containing the developers and active user community.
Genuine PCMHacking products are available in the for sale section here: http://pcmhacking.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=14
Typical eBay RT PCM Cheap counterfeit* DS1245Y
Unknown temperature rating
Unknown access speed rating
Unknown internal (sealed) battery condition
Requires a special adapter for reprogramming (DS1245Y soldered direct to memcal base)
Not jumper selectable for either VS and VT, requires a new unit
Limited support from seller – they direct you to the delcohacking.net forums
Majority of included software and bins developed on delcohacking
* Reply from maxim (who own dallas) on the counterfeit DS1245Y..
“We have no records of manufacturing a product matching the one in your
photo (DS1245Y-100+ 1116L 291972).
We are very aware of counterfeit NVSRAM products being peddled by
brokers, especially via the internet.
We strongly suggest that you purge these units, and see if you can
locate the vendor that sold you those parts; return them for a refund.
(If you wish to help us stop this activity, tell us who it was.)”
Some further notes on counterfeit DS1245Ys
If you are planning on building your own it is becoming increasingly difficult to purchase genuine Dallas DS1245Y NVRAMs. Almost every unit on eBay is counterfeit, the short of it is they are not cheap. Even in larger (10,000+) quantity's you are paying good money per unit. If you want a genuine unit I would suggest buying from a large reputable electronics chain such as Mouser or Digikey.
Of course like all cheap things you get what you pay for. They do not use the same rating and quality of battery as in the genuine article, you will be lucky to get a year or so before it goes flat. This will leave you stranded on the roadside if you dont have a backup memcal. Being a sealed unit the battery is not easily replaceable, so it will loose all the data and become completely unusable. The counterfeits also tend to corrupt very easily.
Because of the use of CR type batteries it could at worst lead to a fire hazard, they dont have a high temperature rating, 60 DegC MAX and that is from a quality brand like panasonic, so the cheap batteries would have much less than this, say 40-50c. Cabin temperatures can easily get this high in a parked car, BR type battery's as used in the Standard genuine ones are rated to 85 DegC. The nvram's for sale on delcohacking are industrial rated, these have a rated working environment of -40 to +85degc with a guaranteed 10yrs minimum use.
Some users on delcohacking pulled appart a counterfeit unit to see what really goes on inside ..
https://pcmhacking.net/forums/viewtopi ... 45y#p18600