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second map sensor for boost

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has any one tried fitting a second map sensor just for boost with 12p as when you go to a 2 or 3 bar sensor you loose res in the map. just a thought maybe keep the 1 bar for off boost and switch to the 2-3 bar on a flex input or is this too hard to set up? might make some boosted cars nicer to tune.
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you obviously haven't seen the $12P ve and boost ve tables then ? the only way you loose resolution is if you go to 3 bar but then you move through the boost ve table so quick it doesn't matter!
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Technically, the 0-5v input is scaled differently for 1 2 and 3 bar, but that type of resolution loss is not the same resolution loss like in the old school 2 bar $5d tune which lost a lot more resolution by not enlarging the maps in the tune. For 12p its not a limiting factor.
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You do lose some resolution behind the scenes due to the scaling but its not terrible. We only have 8 bits to work with, so 256 resolvable steps from 10-104.4kPa, 8-207kPa or 2.2-313kPa. It wont get the full 8 bits due to a number of factors but will be reasonably close. Lets say its really bad and loses a whole bit, so its 7 bits and 128 steps. Even then for 1-bar we can resolve around 0.7kPa, 2bar around 1.5kPa and 3 bar around 2.4kPa. Thats probably a worst case though.

You can run two different MAP sensors with map a and map b but switching with the engine running I have never tried and could be risky if you get a sudden lean spike as it comes on boost - I would also need to check the code if there are any 2/3 bar MAP variables that get calc'd at boot up only.
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And I think if I'm right that 2.4 kpa equates to .35psi resolution ? Which would mean pretty much 3 cells of adjustment for every psi of boost!!
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I agree you get to boost so fast who cares. My car is running great with 12P and hits boost so quickly I don't think I would even consider how it performs under boost.
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I've done very little tuning to my boost ve table and its following the commanded afr almost perfectly!!
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that was the answer I was looking for. the question was asked of me by a friend wanting to boost a falcon 6 with a delco with 12p
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Its interpolates between the table too, does not jump from one cell to the next
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Tell him the only thing he needs to know is the delco will make his ford more reliable and simply by using it he'd have to gain at least 10hp ;)
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