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Berry tuning tool

Postby firebug » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:14 am

Was checking this out yesterday and thought it might be applicable to discuss here. Is anyone here using or considering a Berry as a part of their tuning toolbox?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/94 ... g-n-play-c

Seems to be an aussie made product in its intial stages...
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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby MAGP » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:09 am

firebug wrote:Seems to be an aussie made product in its intial stages...
Yet it doesn't list Holden in the list of models.

I would have 1 question about this, how can it determine MBT on an engine that is not knock limited and adjust the PCM accordingly?

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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby Biggvl » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:14 am

I does list Holden, middle at bottom
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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby Holden202T » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:41 am

question I have is, will it void your warranty and / or emissions ?

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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby VL400 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:50 am

Emissions yes. Warranty, well its not changing the PCM cal just fudging stuff in RT so reversible by just pulling the plug.

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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby MAGP » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:06 pm

Biggvl wrote:I does list Holden, middle at bottom
I didn't see that. He did so well up to that point every other manufacturer is listed in alphabetical order. Why he put Holden after Volvo is beyond me :lol:

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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby antus » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:32 pm

I contacted that project last week after someone sent me a link, and asked about his engine management strategy and emissions. This was the response:

Berry Robotics wrote:I understand that having a project through Kickstarter allows consumers to have an in depth, manufacturing story of the product with a great perspective on design, which we believe we have covered pretty well. Unfortunately due to the nature of the product, there is only so much information we can release without compromising the architecture of the circuit and software which remains patented intellectual property.
We did begin testing on emissions, though accurate data could not be gathered and matched with manufacturers certificates. We decided against the practice and cannot guarantee any changes to emissions.


I followed up and asked "Can you please provide details of the patent? Which country, and patent number?" but there has been no further response.
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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby MAGP » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:26 pm

Why do they need to match data to the manufacturers information? The manufacturers have been caught out fudging things anyway so he would have been best to get each type of car and run it through an LM240 without the Berry and then again with the Berry.

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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby Tazzi » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:17 am

antus wrote:I contacted that project last week after someone sent me a link, and asked about his engine management strategy and emissions. This was the response:

Berry Robotics wrote:I understand that having a project through Kickstarter allows consumers to have an in depth, manufacturing story of the product with a great perspective on design, which we believe we have covered pretty well. Unfortunately due to the nature of the product, there is only so much information we can release without compromising the architecture of the circuit and software which remains patented intellectual property.
We did begin testing on emissions, though accurate data could not be gathered and matched with manufacturers certificates. We decided against the practice and cannot guarantee any changes to emissions.


I followed up and asked "Can you please provide details of the patent? Which country, and patent number?" but there has been no further response.


The 'only' way this device could be working, is to monitor the live sensor data which is standardized in all OBD2 (CAN Based) vehicles... and instantaneously send out 'new' data to the ECU to fudge information. Would make sense why they do not want to go into specifics on what the device is actually doing.
A simply question they should answer is "Is this falsifying live sensor data in the car?".
What happens if the car gets a fault, or pops into limp mode ect.. is the device aware enough to detect faults and disable.

Patent is probably just for hardware design, Just like the mob over at range that makes the AFM deactivator, patent on design, but the ability to actual deactivate AFM via the comms is literally using factory commands to tell the ECU to stay in V8 mode. Its not custom code, or custom trickery.. but factory commands.. already present in the car.. to do it.
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Re: Berry tuning tool

Postby Tazzi » Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:24 am

Just realized its a Perth Local :lol:

Wonder if there game enough to have a chat about it over a beer..
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