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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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VX L67 Getrag wrote:Sorry headsex, looks like I spoke out of school.. yeah that was the steps for that exact vbf... but the other couple I've seen for that model are slightly different size so I'm not 100% on the steps for those... but I look to make sure all the data lines up with same locations after done.

As I said I'm more concerned about getting the bin file in a usable format & then being able to flash it without having to open up case, but in any fact we are going off original topic... SO SORRY FOR ALL IT MAY HAVE CONFUSED
Sorry mate, didn't mean to come across as rude. Just wanted people reading this to understand it's only relevant to that exact vbf file you have.
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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A friend said to check out the progress on this, i skimmed all these pages but am amazed at the progress. Going to hunt down an ecm and connector at the local scrap yard and would like to join in the fun.
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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FreshDA9 wrote:A friend said to check out the progress on this, i skimmed all these pages but am amazed at the progress. Going to hunt down an ecm and connector at the local scrap yard and would like to join in the fun.
Thanks for the kind words.

Update:
We are getting closer. Server side code as far as the alpha release requires is basically complete. The editor software now logs in at startup, or if no internet uses cached login. Has licensed templates that are downloaded from the server. Also a global description database that the UI loads from is downloaded and updated.

I have implemented Sentry for all error logging. Eg any crashes etc it will log all user data (eg what buttons you pressed in what order), the crash location, call stack, user logs, what template you are using etc and send it all off automatically. If no internet it caches locally and sends later. I forked RavenSentry and modified it to allow this, link here if anyone is interested. Fantastic product and it is free for 1 user which is great for testing.
https://github.com/rolandh/raven-csharp

I've made an azure website and web api (what the editor connects to). The website is just a template atm and has no content other than registration and password reset etc. This took me just over a month to do with zero website/azure or web api experience, so I learnt a shitload doing this. Very fun project. I started off by writing a complete standalone webapi as a proof of concept so I understood all the password/username exchange and how to properly implement security and password hashing, once I understood it I binned that and went to aspnet/azure which does most of it for you.

User defined XML templates so you can make your own addresses up and see whats in them (can seriously break stuff doing this though) are complete.

Stuff still needed before we can do a alpha release:
Finish flash read/write UI screens
Add licensing UI screen to allow you to see what licenses you have available and purchase more. (these will be free for the alpha release which we will be getting a small number of people to test out).
Content UI screen which shows detailed descriptions regarding parameters.
Dropdown list for scalars with multiple states.
Lots of binary verification testing. Eg change all parameters -> change them back. Verify everything is unchanged. Need to unit test lots of things like this to ensure no corruption or ability to brick your tune.
Complete description database for templates along with automated template address and unknown parameter generation. (Darryl is working hard on this)

After the alpha:
User submissions for descriptions and parameter definitions. Eg submitting an unknown parameter with what you think it is. Most likely will use Sentry to track these.
Need a logo.
Website needs content and to be finished.
Tune comparison and copy paste.
Axis editor
3D editor for maps (devexpress has a very nice one, just need to implement it)
Datalogging
Map tracing
More stuff I forgot...

I'm back at work next week so unfortunately I don't think alpha will be ready by then, however will keep hard at work at it. I do not want to release anything half baked, the features that will be in the alpha need to be polished.

Screenshot of the login screen etc.
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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Good stuff rolls.
Its looking sweet! :thumbup:

I've been trying to find info on the interwebs on how to actually tune these things (MPC5xx), what table does what etc etc...
I've come across the Lasota Racing tuning guides:
http://www.lasotaracing.com/MOHPTuningGuide.html
I'm still undecided on whether or not to buy it yet. I'm not looking for a beginners guide, I'm looking for something more advanced, like a pro's tuning guide.
Wondering if anyone out there may have come across anything similar that costs less?
Or is it worth the $$?

Or a forum link worth checking out etc?
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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luke111 wrote:Good stuff rolls.
Its looking sweet! :thumbup:

I've been trying to find info on the interwebs on how to actually tune these things (MPC5xx), what table does what etc etc...
I've come across the Lasota Racing tuning guides:
http://www.lasotaracing.com/MOHPTuningGuide.html
I'm still undecided on whether or not to buy it yet. I'm not looking for a beginners guide, I'm looking for something more advanced, like a pro's tuning guide.
Wondering if anyone out there may have come across anything similar that costs less?
Or is it worth the $$?

Or a forum link worth checking out etc?
I actually bought the lasota tuning guide and its pretty good for $70 though not specifically targetted to the local fords. Eg the speed density stuff is quite lacking. Personally I found nothing available to teach me everything, I did LOTS of reading, experimentation on my own car and read lots of the HPT forums to learn what I did.

What I found is hardly anyone at all understands the speed density stuff, Darryl who is working with me was probably the only bloke who seemed to have nutted it out (at least publicly anyway) without his original posts and help it would have taken me much longer. I hope to make all of this stuff we learnt available within the software package so you don't need to buy guides or trawl forums.

In the short term I would read the following:
Lasota (if you have a spare $70)
Read darryls speed density writeup here:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthrea ... rd-Turbo-6

Read my post on injector slopes/speed density
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthrea ... post442928

Read all of paul yaw from injector dynamics articles
http://injectordynamics.com/articles/dr ... -dipshits/

Eric Brooks (works for HPT) article
http://www.modularfords.com/content/238 ... -HP-Tuners

http://injectordynamics.com/articles/shelby-gt500/

http://injectordynamics.com/articles/th ... -epidemic/

Like I said, most of the stuff is for US fords, but it gives you a good start.

You can also read my thread where I asked lots and lots of questions earlier in the year.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthrea ... to-a-tuner

I think I've learnt a lot about the theory, but I have not put much into practice as I don't have access to a dyno. There are lots of smart people on the forums though that you can learn from, HPT forums are currently your best bet for reading about tuning fords.
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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Awesome stuff there mate! :thumbup:
Plenty of reading there to keep me busy.
Hopefully those links will help some others reading this topic who also want to gain some more knowledge on this subject.
I've got a lot of experience tuning Alpha-N and also Alpha-N primary with Speed Density secondary as a AN table multiplier but not a lot with Speed Density as a primary.
Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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If the lasota book is the one I have, then it is not worth the money. The links are probable a better starting point. I will look for the book and see if it is the same one. Maybe it would be idea to start a new thread about how to tune ford's ecu's.
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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jay woo wrote:If the lasota book is the one I have, then it is not worth the money. The links are probable a better starting point. I will look for the book and see if it is the same one. Maybe it would be idea to start a new thread about how to tune ford's ecu's.
Id just go over to HPT forums, there's thousands of posts for tuning fords over there.
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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How similar are some of the earlier ecu's to the later ones. Some of the Ford documents for the earlier ecu's are located on this website http://eectuning.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=17
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Re: Ford MPC565 Tuning

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FYI I got Green Oak 512k flash read/write (6.0L US) working last night in the old flashing software.
jay woo wrote:How similar are some of the earlier ecu's to the later ones. Some of the Ford documents for the earlier ecu's are located on this website http://eectuning.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=17
There are similarities, but also lots and lots of additions.
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