P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

They go by many names, P01, P59, VPW, '0411 etc . Circa 1999 to 2006. All VPW OBD2 PCMs.
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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby The1 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:12 pm

Ive never touched a 0411 but what would be the benefits over our ecu/pcm's? I doubt anymore power could be had from a pcm change.

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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby antus » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:54 pm

Its good to have options. They're a lot newer and available in other world regions. But yeah there are other cheaper options too.

It looks like the position sensor is a reluctor ring shaped like this, with spark delivered through a distributor. There also appears to be a number cylinders scaler in the bin which I'll try and track down.
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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby Holden202T » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:30 pm

The v6 low res option is 3 x high and 3 x low pulses per crankshaft rev and a 50/50 on/off cam signal.

from what i've read you cant have coil on plug in low res mode, and also the cylinder firing order in the tune apparently doesn't change anything.

by all reports its either going to need to be dizzy and 1 coil (which is kinda not worth it) or mods to hardware or code to make it work for high res crank trigger in 6 cyl config.

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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby antus » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:03 pm

Yeah no position reference in low res, and running multiport injection. It'd be interesting to know what the hardware does in high res mode if you fabricated ignition hardware with a suitable pattern, wether its scaled or chopped from the v8 one. I'd expect chopped and there would be code to revert to cyl 1 after 6.
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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby Dylan » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:15 pm

I can confirm on a VY V8 bin. Tick low res and change to 6 cylinders and it will work using a DFI module.

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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby antus » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:14 pm

Thanks for the feedback!
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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby Holden202T » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:40 am

Dylan wrote:I can confirm on a VY V8 bin. Tick low res and change to 6 cylinders and it will work using a DFI module.


do you know how it needs to be wired in to the DFI module ?

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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby Holden202T » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:37 pm

When i first started thinking about putting an 0411 pcm on a 6 cylinder i knew i needed to work out a crank trigger (easy, plenty of options out there) and a cam trigger, which for a straight 6 is less common.

my searches for this showed up ford taurus and falcons as some examples of dizzy cars adapted which used something like this.

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this led me to find the right sensor for them and it looked like something i could easily adapt to a electronic dizzy housing, and the sensor was $30 delivered so not too much cost if it didn't work out.

so i found an old fucked dizzy and stripped all the shit out of it to leave the body, main shaft and the reluctor mounting plate.

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i then mapped out the sensor and the plate in autocad to make a template to lay over the plate to mark for hole drilling.

you can see a second line that doesn't go through the holes, that is the centre line of the sensor bolt holes.

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This template will also alow a new piece to be cut from steel if someone so desired.

The sensor mounted to the plate, and the hole in the plate has been reamed out to just allow the sensor edge to be level but still keeping some meat for the screws.

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I then trimmed the housing hole a bit wider to fit the sensor through, it needs some cleaning up but that can happen after it works :)

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Whats left to do now is to modify the old advance part of the shaft which should work nicely as a chopper wheel for it.

i had originally planned to make it a 50/50 on/0ff sensor for the 0411 pcm, but with it looking like that might not be much of an option at the moment on a 6 cylinder i have decided to just make it a 1 notch sensor for use with anything, once its finished i'll probably use a VL400 igntion module to bench test it and see what the trace looks like from it on the drill.

after doing this i have some thoughts for revisions.

firstly im not sure if its just the sensor i bought, but it has threaded holes in the sensor, i would probably drill these out and have the thread in the base plate, but having said that, the exposed threads might be useful to make a 3d printed cap or even alloy and retain it with the two screw ends.

on the above theory i would probably make a plate from scratch out of 5mm plate and tap threads into it, and also it really needs some crush tubes for longevity.

if anyone is interested in this, here is the autocad file.

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i printed it at 1:1 scale and it was exact to my needs.

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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby Holden202T » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:56 am

i have finished making a chopper for it, seems to work on my multimeter which is about as much as i can test it at the moment

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Re: P01 '0411 12200411 v6 support

Postby Jayme » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:55 pm

Dylan wrote:I can confirm on a VY V8 bin. Tick low res and change to 6 cylinders and it will work using a DFI module.



is this method also the one where you need to open the PCM and link the injector lines together or something??

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