Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
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Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
Hi Guys,
I Have been busy tuning my holden and have a question, im sure you guys would know.
In tuner pro, the map value is detailed in numbers 40-200. Anyone know how this translated to boost in a 2 bar $5D tune? For example, is 5 psi 140, 7 psi 170, 10 psi 190 etc??
I have included my F1 SMAIN table below. I have the same question with the VE Table.
Vehicle" VP V6 3.8l, 10psi charger, intercooled, 2bar MAP, 36lb injectors
__40___60___80___100__120__140___160__170__180___190 ___200 <<MAP
45.70 43.24 36.91 32.34 31.29 30.23 28.83 27.77 27.77 27.77 27.77
47.46 43.24 37.27 32.34 28.83 28.83 27.77 27.42 27.77 27.77 27.77
47.46 43.24 37.97 32.34 28.48 27.77 26.72 26.37 26.37 24.96 24.61
52.38 40.43 38.32 32.34 27.77 26.72 26.72 24.61 23.91 23.55 23.55
49.92 38.67 36.91 29.53 25.31 24.26 23.20 21.80 20.04 18.98 18.98
49.92 38.67 36.56 27.77 24.26 23.20 22.15 20.39 18.63 16.52 15.82
49.92 38.67 34.45 26.37 23.20 22.15 22.15 19.34 16.52 14.77 14.41
49.92 38.67 33.40 25.31 22.15 21.09 21.09 17.93 16.17 13.71 12.30
34.45 33.40 27.77 23.55 18.63 16.52 15.82 14.77 13.01 11.95 10.90
29.88 27.77 22.50 19.34 14.77 13.01 12.30 11.60 11.25 10.90 9.14
23.55 23.55 16.52 16.52 14.41 13.01 10.90 10.90 9.84 9.14 8.09
23.55 16.52 16.52 16.52 14.41 13.01 10.90 10.20 9.14 8.44 7.73
I Have been busy tuning my holden and have a question, im sure you guys would know.
In tuner pro, the map value is detailed in numbers 40-200. Anyone know how this translated to boost in a 2 bar $5D tune? For example, is 5 psi 140, 7 psi 170, 10 psi 190 etc??
I have included my F1 SMAIN table below. I have the same question with the VE Table.
Vehicle" VP V6 3.8l, 10psi charger, intercooled, 2bar MAP, 36lb injectors
__40___60___80___100__120__140___160__170__180___190 ___200 <<MAP
45.70 43.24 36.91 32.34 31.29 30.23 28.83 27.77 27.77 27.77 27.77
47.46 43.24 37.27 32.34 28.83 28.83 27.77 27.42 27.77 27.77 27.77
47.46 43.24 37.97 32.34 28.48 27.77 26.72 26.37 26.37 24.96 24.61
52.38 40.43 38.32 32.34 27.77 26.72 26.72 24.61 23.91 23.55 23.55
49.92 38.67 36.91 29.53 25.31 24.26 23.20 21.80 20.04 18.98 18.98
49.92 38.67 36.56 27.77 24.26 23.20 22.15 20.39 18.63 16.52 15.82
49.92 38.67 34.45 26.37 23.20 22.15 22.15 19.34 16.52 14.77 14.41
49.92 38.67 33.40 25.31 22.15 21.09 21.09 17.93 16.17 13.71 12.30
34.45 33.40 27.77 23.55 18.63 16.52 15.82 14.77 13.01 11.95 10.90
29.88 27.77 22.50 19.34 14.77 13.01 12.30 11.60 11.25 10.90 9.14
23.55 23.55 16.52 16.52 14.41 13.01 10.90 10.90 9.84 9.14 8.09
23.55 16.52 16.52 16.52 14.41 13.01 10.90 10.20 9.14 8.44 7.73
Current Rides:
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
do you not have the 2bar$5d xdf it has psi accross the top .40 60 80 100 2.9 5.8 8.7 rest is in kpa after that 170 180 190 200
If Its Got Gas Or Ass Count Me In.if it cant be fixed with a hammer you have an electrical problem
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
Sorry about the table layout guys, i know it sucks
Current Rides:
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
http://www.asknumbers.com/kilopascal-to-psi.aspx 190kpa is 13.05psi
If Its Got Gas Or Ass Count Me In.if it cant be fixed with a hammer you have an electrical problem
Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
0 boost = 1 bar = 101kPa.simc wrote:In tuner pro, the map value is detailed in numbers 40-200. Anyone know how this translated to boost in a 2 bar $5D tune? For example, is 5 psi 140, 7 psi 170, 10 psi 190 etc??
~14.5 boost = 2 bar= 202kPa (1psi = ~6.9kPa)
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
Ahh ok the 2bar 5d xdf I have is displaying map readings in kpa. Im nut sure if it’s the best one to be using (delcowizzed do you suggest an alternative?), but that seems to make sense. Going by what you guys have said, everything under 100kpa is vacc, idle/cruise/deceleration.
101 – 0 psi
117.3 – 2.5 psi
134.5 – 5 psi
155.2 – 8 psi
169 - 10psi
182.8 – 12psi
200 – 14.5psi
I have a situation where at WOT, I get massive over fuel, and the thing surges between 8-10 psi, so I should drop the fuel amount in the 140 and 160kpa table. Sound about right?
101 – 0 psi
117.3 – 2.5 psi
134.5 – 5 psi
155.2 – 8 psi
169 - 10psi
182.8 – 12psi
200 – 14.5psi
I have a situation where at WOT, I get massive over fuel, and the thing surges between 8-10 psi, so I should drop the fuel amount in the 140 and 160kpa table. Sound about right?
Current Rides:
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
You can also try the OSE 12P code, but it means starting from scratch. It has boost support without the reduced accuracy of the 5D 2bar.
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
yes i myself wouldnt be running the 2bar$5d code its such a big fudge round get some good code in there with more resolution $12p that sucker
If Its Got Gas Or Ass Count Me In.if it cant be fixed with a hammer you have an electrical problem
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
12P, that's a little more involving then just using a different XDF isn’t it?
I have a base tune for 5d, I had it working real well for 5 psi, just shits itself on 10psi now. I didn’t think it would be that far off to be honest. Idle and cruise are great.
I have a base tune for 5d, I had it working real well for 5 psi, just shits itself on 10psi now. I didn’t think it would be that far off to be honest. Idle and cruise are great.
Current Rides:
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
The Daily: BA XR6 Turbo
The Scary One: Supercharged V6 Gemini 10psi
The Cruiser: 1966 XR Fairmont V8
The Two Wheeler: Honda XR250R
The Wifes: VZ Wagon
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Re: Tuner Pro MAP Translation help
12P requires a bigger eprom than the 5D normally has (twice as big) its going to be alot better for tuning your engine as it has the normal size table for non boost areas then one the same size as that for boost .... so you will have alot more control over it .... it has other features aswell but you don't need to use them.simc wrote:12P, that's a little more involving then just using a different XDF isn’t it?
I have a base tune for 5d, I had it working real well for 5 psi, just shits itself on 10psi now. I didn’t think it would be that far off to be honest. Idle and cruise are great.
also if you are using the normal aldl interface for logging at 160 baud you'll need to upgrade that to a 8192 baud interface (see for sale section)
other than that its just a matter of moving your 5D tables across into the 12P tune and anything else you've changed then off you go.
and if you really want to go all out, get an NVRAM kit aswell and you can tune and log realtime while you drive. also can easily upload and download cal changes into the ecm directly while the engine is running etc.
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