Commodore lsd cone damage
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
Interesting, I've never actually measured it before.... But
VN (manual) I just measured and it's about ~34° out (which is more than I estimated).
I'm certain my VS drive shaft was also out of phase but I don't think it was as much as the VN one (might have to pull it out).
VN (manual) I just measured and it's about ~34° out (which is more than I estimated).
I'm certain my VS drive shaft was also out of phase but I don't think it was as much as the VN one (might have to pull it out).
Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
Yeah you can get away with doing some strange things when you consider the system as a whole - e.g. you might be creating vibrations but they could be cancelling vibrations from somewhere else. You can also do things like run a different uni angle front and rear when the phasing is different.
The centre joint being a CV is very handy as you can basically do anything with it to alter the front and rear angles to what you need and it doesn't matter, that's why I adapted it for the Torana.
I've seen some which are 30-whatever degrees phased forward from the other end and some that are roughly the same but behind too. Couldn't really say what model they come from by the time some of them reach my hands.
The centre joint being a CV is very handy as you can basically do anything with it to alter the front and rear angles to what you need and it doesn't matter, that's why I adapted it for the Torana.
I've seen some which are 30-whatever degrees phased forward from the other end and some that are roughly the same but behind too. Couldn't really say what model they come from by the time some of them reach my hands.
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
It's odd though because the VN-VS Commodores were known for having drive line vibrations.
You are correct though, phasing and angles influence the overall behaviour of the drive line. It is possible that Holden altered the phasing to make up for a poor uni-angle at the diff. This does not make much sense though because the diff mounting (trailing arms) are a carry over from the VB-VL era where I don't think drive line vibrations were an issue.
If I get an opportunity I will pull the drive shaft out of our old VS which did seem to suffer from drive line vibrations although they didn't always occur consistently?
This video is quiet good. https://youtu.be/Idk3BVDVHq4
You are correct though, phasing and angles influence the overall behaviour of the drive line. It is possible that Holden altered the phasing to make up for a poor uni-angle at the diff. This does not make much sense though because the diff mounting (trailing arms) are a carry over from the VB-VL era where I don't think drive line vibrations were an issue.
If I get an opportunity I will pull the drive shaft out of our old VS which did seem to suffer from drive line vibrations although they didn't always occur consistently?
This video is quiet good. https://youtu.be/Idk3BVDVHq4
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
my vp one has a harmonic which sounds like 2 waves diffing in and out of phase once every half sec or so at exactly 98-100km/h ( peaks at 99 with waves being almost in phase, intervals slow right down to several sec apart). I never balanced it but its the only spot it has harmonics.
its set at 30-40 odd º
its set at 30-40 odd º
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
the vb runs them lined up no vibrations was 30 degrees or so out of phase originally i just set it phased due to habbit from 1 peice shafts LOL
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
I changed a crapped out centre bearing on mine when I slid the boot back I hadn't marked it and lined it all up and half fell off the bench and popper all the ball bearings out put it all back together didn't have a vibration on accel now but vibrated bad from 40-60km/h tried several different places some made it better some made it worse eventually gave up and sent it out for rephasing
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
Going back a bit to diff types, the 2 diffs I mentioned earlier don't have anything like a bw78 number on the sticker!
One has FF 92085128
s/n 033648
55 FF U033648
Other has BT 92187424
S/n 1235
65 BT U001235
So not sure how to tell which is better to keep?
One has FF 92085128
s/n 033648
55 FF U033648
Other has BT 92187424
S/n 1235
65 BT U001235
So not sure how to tell which is better to keep?
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
FF I believe as a standard M80 open diff with ABS, 3.07 ratio.
I have no BT code anywhere in the listings for VT/VX models.
Does the diff with BT code have a diff ratio on it?
I have no BT code anywhere in the listings for VT/VX models.
Does the diff with BT code have a diff ratio on it?
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BT is the VZ LSD 3.08
Then I have a high performance (supposedly) in another VZ with BB on it & it's 2.87
Then I have a high performance (supposedly) in another VZ with BB on it & it's 2.87
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Re: Commodore lsd cone damage
I recall a few months back when I was looking for diff gears for mine that the gears are stamped with a 4 digit number, like 0578 or something like that which told you if it was vn-vs or later
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