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Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:13 pm
by muttley383
I have got a new O2 sensor that I can put in and try.
I fitted my old PCM with the Kalmaker tune I posted above and it starts and idles ok when cold. When hot it does idle rich on the Kalmaker tune (11.6).
Since it seems to be reasonable with the Kalmaker .bin I would think that the O2 sensor and fuel pressure would be ok.
I dont have Kalmaker software to try and adjust, thus trying to set up TP5.
I could try the TP tune with the idle VE turned off and just use the main VE table. Will attempt again tomorrow morning.
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:08 am
by The1
not that open loop has anything to do with the 02
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:52 am
by antus
That kalmaker tune is not exactly what I expected.
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[description] [CKUR.W30] [MUTTLEY3.W30]
GEN:IDN:PROMID 04158 00008 [decimal]
GEN:IDN:TPROMID 2AC4 28FF [hex]
GEN:OPT:EOPTB[]
[disable blmcrn] OFF ON
SPK:ESC:LOCLT 44.00 50.00 [celsius]
SPK:ESC:MAXRTD 11.95 18.98 [degrees]
FUL:OUT:BPC 0.1336 0.1400 [l-sec/gm]
DTC:MSK:EOPT2[]
[m28 psa short] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:EOPT6[]
[m59 tft lo] ON OFF
[m58 tft hi] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:EOPT7[]
[m73 pcs] ON OFF
[m69 tcc stuck on] ON OFF
[m68 slip] ON OFF
[m67 tcc ctlsol] ON OFF
[m66 32 sol cct] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:EOPT8[]
[m83 tcc pwmsol] ON OFF
[m82 12 sol cct] ON OFF
[m81 23 sol cct] ON OFF
[m79 tft hi lt] ON OFF
[m75 bat lo st] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:LOPT2[]
[m28 psa short] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:LOPT5[]
[m53 bat high st] ON OFF
[m52 bat high lt] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:LOPT7[]
[m73 pcs] ON OFF
[m67 tcc ctlsol] ON OFF
[m66 32 sol cct] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:LOPT8[]
[m82 12 sol cct] ON OFF
[m81 23 sol cct] ON OFF
[m79 tft hi lt] ON OFF
[m75 bat lo st] ON OFF
DTC:MSK:POPT7[]
[m72 vss loss] OFF ON
[m68 slip] ON OFF
GEN:OPT:POPTB[]
[m72 gch inhibit] OFF ON
[force baro calc] ON OFF
VAR:TFT:TFTHI 121.25 134.00 [celsius]
VAR:TFT:TFTLO 115.25 124.25 [celsius]
TCC:FLG:MFTFTU 150.50 134.00 [celsius]
TCC:FLG:MFTFTL 149.75 124.25 [celsius]
TCC:MPH:WEMH3 32.0 127.5 [mph]
TCC:MPH:WDMH3 30.0 127.0 [mph]
SHF:GDX:MSK5MPH 93.5 60.0 [mph]
SHF:GDX:M72RPM 8191.88 650.00 [rpm]
PTC:M28:DETTIM 6.38 5.00 [seconds]
PTC:M58:DETTIM 5.0 0.5 [seconds]
PTC:M59:DETTIM 5.0 0.5 [seconds]
PTC:M67:DETTIM 4.0 2.0 [seconds]
PTC:M68:SLIPTH 80.00 -2184.63 [rpm]
PTC:M68:LOGCTS 10 187 [counts]
PTC:M68:TPSLO 19.9 73.0 [%tps]
PTC:M68:TPSHI 99.6 73.0 [%tps]
PTC:M68:TFTLO 59.75 100.25 [celsius]
PTC:M68:TFTHI 151.25 100.25 [celsius]
PTC:M81:DETTIM 4.0 2.0 [seconds]
PTC:M82:DETTIM 4.0 2.0 [seconds]
SPK:BAS:IACADV[map]
[kPa map] [degrees] [degrees]
[ 20] 31.99 29.88
[ 30] 21.09 23.91
[ 40] 21.09 23.91
[ 50] 21.09 23.91
[ 60] 20.04 23.91
[ 70] 20.04 23.91
[ 80] 16.17 18.98
[ 85] 13.71 13.01
IAC:DES:RPMDR[bat]
[volts] [rpm] [rpm]
[ 9.6] 875 850
[11.2] 719 850
[12.8] 719 850
IAC:DES:RPMPN[bat]
[volts] [rpm] [rpm]
[ 9.6] 875 850
[11.2] 800 850
[12.8] 800 850
IAC:DES:RPMMT[bat]
[volts] [rpm] [rpm]
[ 9.6] 875 850
[11.2] 800 850
[12.8] 800 850
TCC:MPH:PEMH3[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[50.00] 32.0 127.5
[56.25] 32.0 127.5
[62.50] 32.0 127.5
[68.75] 32.0 127.5
[75.00] 32.0 127.5
[81.25] 32.0 127.5
[87.50] 32.0 127.5
[93.75] 32.0 127.5
[100.00] 32.0 127.5
TCC:MPH:PEMH4[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 60.0 44.0
[ 6.25] 60.0 44.0
[12.50] 60.0 44.0
[18.75] 60.0 44.0
[25.00] 60.0 44.0
[31.25] 60.0 44.0
[37.50] 60.0 44.0
[43.75] 60.0 44.0
TCC:MPH:PDM03[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[62.50] 127.0 61.0
TCC:MPH:PDMH3[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 30.0 29.0
[ 6.25] 30.0 29.0
[12.50] 30.0 29.0
[18.75] 30.0 29.0
[25.00] 30.0 29.0
[31.25] 30.0 29.0
[37.50] 30.0 29.0
[43.75] 30.0 29.0
[50.00] 30.0 29.0
[56.25] 30.0 29.0
[62.50] 30.0 127.0
[68.75] 30.0 127.0
[75.00] 30.0 127.0
[81.25] 30.0 127.0
[87.50] 30.0 127.0
[93.75] 30.0 127.0
[100.00] 30.0 127.0
TCC:MPH:PDMH4[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 58.0 40.0
[ 6.25] 58.0 40.0
[12.50] 58.0 40.0
[18.75] 58.0 40.0
[25.00] 58.0 40.0
[31.25] 58.0 40.0
[37.50] 58.0 40.0
[43.75] 58.0 40.0
[50.00] 58.0 40.0
[56.25] 127.0 40.0
TCC:DCC:DCMAX[pts]
[psi] [percent] [percent]
[ 0] 95.7 89.8
[ 8] 95.7 89.8
[ 16] 95.7 89.8
[ 24] 95.7 89.8
[ 32] 95.7 89.8
[ 40] 95.7 89.8
[ 48] 95.7 89.8
[ 56] 95.7 89.8
[ 64] 95.7 89.8
[ 72] 95.7 89.8
[ 80] 95.7 89.8
[ 88] 95.7 89.8
[ 96] 95.7 89.8
[104] 95.7 89.8
[112] 95.7 89.8
[120] 95.7 89.8
[128] 95.7 89.8
TCC:APP:ABSMX[tps]
[% tps] [percent] [percent]
[ 0.00] 95.7 89.8
[ 6.25] 95.7 89.8
[12.50] 95.7 89.8
[18.75] 95.7 89.8
[25.00] 95.7 89.8
[31.25] 95.7 89.8
[37.50] 95.7 89.8
[43.75] 95.7 89.8
[50.00] 95.7 89.8
[56.25] 95.7 89.8
[62.50] 95.7 89.8
[68.75] 95.7 89.8
[75.00] 95.7 89.8
[81.25] 95.7 89.8
[87.50] 95.7 89.8
[93.75] 95.7 89.8
[100.00] 95.7 89.8
SHF:GDX:PUMH23[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 22.0 20.0
[ 6.25] 22.0 20.0
SHF:GDX:PUMH34[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 127.5 57.0
[ 6.25] 127.5 57.0
[12.50] 127.5 57.0
[18.75] 127.5 57.0
[25.00] 127.5 62.0
[31.25] 127.5 79.0
SHF:GDX:PDMH21[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[87.50] 28.5 29.0
[93.75] 28.5 29.0
[100.00] 28.5 29.0
SHF:GDX:PDMH32[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 20.0 19.0
[ 6.25] 20.0 19.0
[12.50] 20.0 19.0
SHF:GDX:PDMH43[tps]
[% tps] [mph] [mph]
[ 0.00] 127.0 54.0
[ 6.25] 127.0 54.0
[12.50] 127.0 54.0
[18.75] 127.0 54.0
[25.00] 127.0 54.0
[31.25] 127.0 54.0
[37.50] 127.0 80.0
[43.75] 127.0 100.0
[50.00] 127.0 125.0
[56.25] 127.0 125.0
[62.50] 127.0 125.0
[68.75] 127.0 125.0
[75.00] 127.0 125.0
[81.25] 127.0 125.0
[87.50] 127.0 125.0
[93.75] 127.0 125.0
[100.00] 127.0 125.0
PTS:SLP:PTS1[mph]
[mph] [psi] [psi]
[ 0] 0 1
[ 8] 0 5
[ 16] 15 10
[ 24] 25 15
[ 32] 35 20
[ 40] 45 30
[ 48] 55 40
[ 56] 65 90
PTS:SLP:PTS2[mph]
[mph] [psi] [psi]
[ 0] 0 20
[ 8] 0 20
[ 16] 15 20
[ 24] 25 30
[ 32] 35 30
[ 40] 45 40
[ 48] 55 50
[ 56] 65 60
[ 64] 90 80
SPK:BAS:RUNADV[map,rpm]
[kPa map][rpm x 100] [degrees] [degrees]
[ 30][ 8] 24.61 23.91
[ 40][ 8] 21.09 23.91
[ 50][ 8] 21.09 23.91
FUL:OUT:VELO[map,rpm]
[kPa map][rpm x 100] [percent] [percent]
[ 20][ 4] 44.9 19.9
[ 20][ 6] 44.9 17.2
[ 30][ 6] 46.1 17.2
[ 40][ 6] 46.9 17.2
[ 50][ 6] 47.7 17.2
[ 60][ 6] 48.8 30.1
[ 70][ 6] 50.4 39.8
[ 20][ 8] 44.9 18.0
[ 30][ 8] 48.8 18.0
[ 40][ 8] 50.0 18.0
[ 50][ 8] 54.7 18.0
[ 60][ 8] 56.3 30.1
[ 70][ 8] 57.8 39.8
[ 80][ 8] 58.6 50.0
[ 20][10] 44.9 18.0
[ 30][10] 50.8 18.0
[ 40][10] 55.9 18.0
[ 50][10] 57.8 18.0
[ 60][10] 59.4 30.1
[ 70][10] 60.5 39.8
[ 80][10] 62.1 50.0
[ 20][12] 47.7 18.0
[ 30][12] 50.8 30.1
[ 20][14] 50.8 30.1
[ 30][14] 55.5 39.8
[ 20][16] 50.0 30.1
[ 30][16] 53.9 39.8
[ 20][18] 56.3 30.1
[ 30][18] 57.4 39.8
[ 20][20] 56.6 30.1
[ 30][20] 56.6 39.8
[ 20][22] 56.6 19.9
[ 30][22] 57.0 39.8
[ 20][24] 56.6 19.9
[ 30][24] 57.8 39.8
FUL:OUT:VEHI[map,rpm]
[kPa map][rpm x 100] [percent] [percent]
[ 20][24] 56.6 19.9
[ 30][24] 57.8 39.8
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:57 am
by muttley383
Thanks antus, just as well I did not pay anything for the Kalmaker .bin
Anyway the cold start this morning was much better since I was running of the main VE table instead of the Idle VE
. Still some tweaking to do but at least the heavy surging is gone. I have to look at the loading of the power steering as it wants to stall when turning from lock to lock whilst stationary
.
Thanks all for the assistance, I am sure I will be back with more questions.
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:00 pm
by muttley383
Hi all, still trying to fix up the cold start issues.
Does anyone have any tips on tuning for cold start? It idles not to bad when up to temperature, has the occasional stumble.
When up to temperature it drives quite well, I still have a heap of spark retard enabled as I have not fixed the advance tables. I am trying to sort out the cold start idle first.
Attached are logs for cold start and hot idle. If anyone can pass on some tips it would be appreciated.
Would hate to be doing this for a living, I think I would be going hungry
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:14 pm
by vn5000
Try this ,std v111 blcf cal, inj/rate 383 / 775 blue tops dont change anything and get a log.If the af are out then adjust the inj /rate only till good idle then get another log. :thumbup:Make sure you flash it in as a cal .
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:51 pm
by muttley383
Hi vn5000,
attached are some logs with the .bin you supplied.
I adjusted the idle setpoint to 900rpm to save me having to re-adjust the throttle stop on the holley throttle body. Also I had to reduce the injector rate to a low value to get it idle well (12.5:1 approx).
The cold start did not hunt even though it was to rich and idling at 750rpm. Looks promising.
I await your comments.
Thanks.
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:49 pm
by vn5000
Looks like a good starting point.
Before you go any further check that when your o2 sensor is reading 0.5 v or your in closed loop your wideband is reading around 14.7.The o2 and wideband reading dont match properly.Have you calibrated the wideband properly?
Then adjust you ve to suit wide band readings and commanded a/f.
Dont worry about est /esc or other settings until after main ve table is good (unless it pings).
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:07 pm
by muttley383
Since I have the injector rate so low, am I better off increasing it to say 0.14 and start adjusting the VE tables.
If I leave it the way I left it in the .bin above I think it will be too lean when I start to drive.
Re: Cold Start Tuning Help
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:10 pm
by vn5000
Not sure why your inj rate needsto be so low.But try driving it under light load and see how it runs as is while logging,The ve table is spread about right ie min ve 30 max ve 85 .If you raise the inj rate to 1.4 you would have to halve the ve table and you would lose resolution.