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Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:13 pm
by immortality
Awesome. would be very handy.
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:27 pm
by immortality
have you made up a module or a circuit that can be copied?
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:55 pm
by Holden202T
perfect results!
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:11 pm
by VL400
At the moment its just a thrown together circuit with a pair of MOSFETs from the parts draw. But I am going to be using a BTN7960B (
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/ ... e9554e00da) as I have a few of them.
I want a drop in replacement of the current mechanical relay. The issue with all solid state relays that I could find is they are not high side drivers (the fuel pump is supplied with switched 12V), a low side driver is supplying a ground and is the common switching method with solid state devices. The ones I tried that say they do a high side drive, do not and just get toasty.
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:51 pm
by immortality
If you go as far as making up a little pcb/module I'd be keen for one.
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:28 pm
by VL400
No problem, will keep this thread updated with the driver board.
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:56 pm
by OZ38
Reading all your info here is handy for me as I have recently fitted a larger pump to my VS V6 via surge tank set up. I notice the fuel pressure runs at around 46.5 psi now at idle where as before with just stock pump it was around 34 - 36 psi. So figure like you did the reg is being over pressured.
So to digress a little with what you have found out. What does the s/c L67 fuel pump controller do when inline with the L67 ecu/pcm to control the fuel pump duty cycle. I know that set up would run at either 100% duty or back down at 66% duty.
Where as here you have played with & changed code & not used a fuel pump controller as is fitted to the VS - VX s/c V6 models of Commodores ?
(Purposely left the VY model out as some later L67's did not have the fuel pump controller fitted).
Cheers
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:23 am
by OZ38
I want a drop in replacement of the current mechanical relay. The issue with all solid state relays that I could find is they are not high side drivers (the fuel pump is supplied with switched 12V), a low side driver is supplying a ground and is the common switching method with solid state devices. The ones I tried that say they do a high side drive, do not and just get toasty.
Or is this above what the L67 fuel pump controller is & how it works ?
Cheers
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:09 pm
by Holden202T
yeah i'd definitely be keen to try one too, as you know in the past my attempts at fuel pump speed controllers did get toasty with the 2 x 044's!
Re: PWM Fuel Pump Speed Control
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:40 pm
by VL400
OZ38 wrote:Reading all your info here is handy for me as I have recently fitted a larger pump to my VS V6 via surge tank set up. I notice the fuel pressure runs at around 46.5 psi now at idle where as before with just stock pump it was around 34 - 36 psi. So figure like you did the reg is being over pressured.
So to digress a little with what you have found out. What does the s/c L67 fuel pump controller do when inline with the L67 ecu/pcm to control the fuel pump duty cycle. I know that set up would run at either 100% duty or back down at 66% duty.
Where as here you have played with & changed code & not used a fuel pump controller as is fitted to the VS - VX s/c V6 models of Commodores ?
(Purposely left the VY model out as some later L67's did not have the fuel pump controller fitted).
Cheers
Certainly sounds like you are exceeding the reg return. For 11P I have a table of RPM vs MAP and can adjust the DC, which a MOSFET circuit PWMs the actual pump.

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The factory method is a two speed setup, they look at fuel flow and if it exceeds a set point goes to high speed. The PCM sends a PWM signal to the fuel pump controller but I dont know if that then PWMs the pump or just switches in a series resistor to run the pump at a lower voltage and hence lower speed (Toyota do it this way).
Holden202T wrote:yeah i'd definitely be keen to try one too, as you know in the past my attempts at fuel pump speed controllers did get toasty with the 2 x 044's!
The new controller uses a driver designed for the task so hopefully should work a bit better than an SSR. Will keep you posted!