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Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:33 am
by MAGP
In all honesty I think you'd be better of with a large drive and different partitions rather than a server or VMs.
EDIT: curious as to why you don't simply run the one OS and install each application to it.
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:50 am
by Tazzi
MAGP wrote:In all honesty I think you'd be better of with a large drive and different partitions rather than a server or VMs.
EDIT: curious as to why you don't simply run the one OS and install each application to it.
That may be an option.
As to why there in VM's..
- They don't link windows 10 much
- Driver conflicts
- Any windows updates/changes tend to ruin everything, VM snapshots quickly and easily recover back to good working system.
- Very old applications only like being run under even older systems such as XP, or don't like newer Java versions. Even got one which only accept Adobe 6 for the pdf stuff otherwise crashes
- Easily transferable to another laptop
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:54 am
by MAGP
Is running 1 install of Windows 7 an option?
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:55 am
by Chuff
Tazzi wrote:The alternative is to give up the above dream... buy another laptop.. partition its drive a few times and select from various OS at boot.
But obviously.. I much prefer the server side of things.
This is your only real reliable option, and your laptop sounds more than up to the task so why replace it? Buy a decent size SSD which are getting cheaper and cheaper everyday and partition it with what ever operating systems you require.
Regardless of what advantages you see setting up your server, you have 1 critical failure point, being connectivity. Even if it's the best server on the world, it ain't worth shit if you can't get to it.
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 12:01 pm
by Tazzi
Chuff wrote:Regardless of what advantages you see setting up your server, you have 1 critical failure point, being connectivity. Even if it's the best server on the world, it ain't worth shit if you can't get to it.
Yeah.. the major let down.
But.. Id be up shit creek regardless since any online programming requires internet access so wouldnt be able to complete the job if thats the case.
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 12:06 pm
by Chuff
Tazzi wrote:MAGP wrote:In all honesty I think you'd be better of with a large drive and different partitions rather than a server or VMs.
EDIT: curious as to why you don't simply run the one OS and install each application to it.
That may be an option.
As to why there in VM's..
- They don't link windows 10 much
- Driver conflicts
- Any windows updates/changes tend to ruin everything, VM snapshots quickly and easily recover back to good working system.
- Very old applications only like being run under even older systems such as XP, or don't like newer Java versions. Even got one which only accept Adobe 6 for the pdf stuff otherwise crashes
- Easily transferable to another laptop
Ahh, now I see where your coming from.
In that case your best bet might be staying with VMs on your laptop and tuning then correctly so they don't flog your PC.
If I was still developing then I'd build a light weight Linux distro as my main OS using a fast SSD and then run whatever VMs I needed on top of that.
Windows is too resource heavy.
Chuff
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 12:08 pm
by Chuff
Tazzi wrote:But.. Id be up shit creek regardless since any online programming requires internet access so wouldnt be able to complete the job if thats the case.
Back in my day we called that Beer O'Clock.

Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 12:13 pm
by Tazzi
Chuff wrote:Back in my day we called that Beer O'Clock.

*Sigh*.. if only I had more Beer O'clock buddies in WA

Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 1:26 pm
by antus
Have a read of this:
https://communities.vmware.com/thread/529386
It sounds like its a common windows problem and people like us see it in vms because we use them rarely and try and sometimes try and avoid updates because they break things. Its quite common for the update processes to draw 100% cpu for ages. This is worse on the older OS because there are so many individual fixes available and Microsoft seem keen not to roll them in to a service pack. One might suspect they do this intentionally to bork older windows installs... If you can diagnose this is the problem you might be able to disable the update process that sucks all the cpu, and run it on a local VM without the high cpu usage (vmware, or not).
Re: Server/Networking Possibilities - Can it be done?
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 2:06 pm
by Tazzi
Sounds like a plan Antus.
Im going to do another fresh install of Win7. Completely disable any updates and access to microsoft.. and install a couple car apps and see what happens.
I believe I had done that on the last fresh install, but for all I know, microsoft could still be rolling out silent updates or something could have be done before it was disabled.