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Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:40 pm
by VL400
Try slowing the write down. 100us is the typical value for an EPROM but most programmers allow you to slow things down to get more charge in.

Also be careful on the VPP setting, the absolute maximum is 14V on the normal memcal EPROMs.

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:23 am
by Dylan
Increase the numbers to advance

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:13 am
by delcowizzid
it shouldnt take 45 minutes to erase a chip if the window is clean and if its got the window pointing at the tube in the eraser.normally 7 minutes is more than enough too much more and the chips get very slow and have issues.i learnt that the hard way when i bought a massive number of 27c010 chips online all programmed and verified fine but limp home mode straight away in an ecu had been erased by the seller for too long

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:04 pm
by trexbreah
problem found, one of the pins was bridged with the other on my adapter
a chip i made is still going since 11pm last night after i fixed the problem

and it only takes 10 minutes to erase now two crossed pins was probably half my problem and i was erasing them to long

lucky i have 3 spare eproms

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:09 pm
by trexbreah
Dylan wrote:Increase the numbers to advance
thanks google dosnt always give good information

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:44 pm
by trexbreah
how would i tune for vt injectors i tried changing injector flow rate from 370 ms/gram fuel to 390 ms/gram of fuel but i noticed that its blowing black smoke am i missing somthing or what

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:57 pm
by antus
Get the difference in flow as a percentage from old spec to new (treat 1.00 as 100% eg identical flow) and multiply the original injector rate value by that. For best results also look up the injector dead time by voltage and add that data for the new injectors to the appropriate table as well. This will help mostly for idle and the bottom end.

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:12 am
by j_ds_au
delcowizzid wrote:it shouldnt take 45 minutes to erase a chip if the window is clean and if its got the window pointing at the tube in the eraser.normally 7 minutes is more than enough too much more and the chips get very slow and have issues.i learnt that the hard way when i bought a massive number of 27c010 chips online all programmed and verified fine but limp home mode straight away in an ecu had been erased by the seller for too long
Well, the seller may have abused the chips in some way, but it wasn't by sunburn. The maximum UV exposure is so high, it's usually not even included in the data sheets.

Joe.

PS. After some searching, I finally found a maximum UV exposure figure, in an Intel A27C256 data sheet : 1 week at 1200 uW/cm^2, which is equivalent to 500 erase cycles of 20 minutes (that's the specified erase time at 1200 uW/cm^2) each.

For weaker UV sources, the times increase accordingly. Under-erasure can degrade access time, reduce noise immunity, and give erroneous data at elevated temperature.

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:04 pm
by trexbreah
antus wrote:Get the difference in flow as a percentage from old spec to new (treat 1.00 as 100% eg identical flow) and multiply the original injector rate value by that. For best results also look up the injector dead time by voltage and add that data for the new injectors to the appropriate table as well. This will help mostly for idle and the bottom end.
where would i find a data sheet for the stock vt injectors i compared the vt and vs program together but everything is so far out compared to the vs that im not game enough to use anything from it

Re: tl866 programing a vs stock memcal

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:47 pm
by antus
Physically read the part number off the injector and google it. Or where changing from one stock injector to another get both stock tunes and suitable xdfs and copy data between them