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physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:17 am
by antus
Wow, some fantastic work from CAPS0ff pulling data out of old unknown and/or protected chips which were preventing archiving/emulation of old arcade hardware. This work allows people to restore original boards, or to preserve the software when the hardware fails. Love their work! There is also a back story from an Aussie who was contracting this work out previously to a 3rd party, which originally went well but then the guy stopped responding. He also damaged a number of rare chips. It seems caps0ff has gained access to this trove of hardware which is why some of the chips are damaged in the state that they are.
Generally speaking the process is to mill a spot for some acid on top of the chip, let that eat through to the IC core, identify the chip if its unknown from die markings under a microscope. Then put a drop of chemical over the flash but not the protection bits, then UV erase the board (resetting the security, but not touching the content) and then dump it out.
The repairing of the physically damaged chips is amazing, too!
http://caps0ff.blogspot.com.au/2017/
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:37 am
by Gareth
Holy shit
that stuff is amazing
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:03 am
by delcowizzid
was just reading about this the other day when someone was looking at secure hardware usb bitcoin wallets they were saying the only way top get the password off one was to do this process and read the bits lol
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:35 am
by vlad01
amazing stuff!
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:44 am
by Tazzi
Amazing to have understanding of whats happening at that kind of level!
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:32 pm
by The1
anything can be hacked given time and equipment.
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:49 pm
by antus
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:58 pm
by The1
Nice work Antus.
Ken is another guy that does this and analyses the chips, his website is here
http://www.righto.com/
There's also a AmpHour podcast interview with him here.
https://theamphour.com/361-an-interview ... -shirriff/
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:24 pm
by antus
Thanks for posting that, another good read
I like the first article up there now, and the ebay sellers response - "must have been damaged in transit" (converting it from an sram to a dtmf tone generator IC) lol.
http://www.righto.com/2017/07/bitcoin-m ... -alto.html Bitcoin mining on a vintage Xerox Alto: very slow at 1.5 hashes/second
I've been restoring a Xerox Alto minicomputer from the 1970s and figured it would be interesting to see if it could mine bitcoins. I coded up the necessary hash algorithm in BCPL (the old programming language used by the Alto) and found that although the mining algorithm ran, the Alto was so slow that it would take many times the lifetime of the universe to successfully mine bitcoins.
Re: physical chip reverse engineering
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:58 am
by The1
Yeh the Alto, it's crazy what could have happened to computing if dedicated engineer's didn't persist and to this all this could have been invented back then.