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yeh i didn't think it'd read properly, ive search all over Willem stuff but can't find anyone trying to read these, ill see how we go when i get that ebay programmer, prob that same as that circuit you posted above
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ok got the programmer today, didn't come with anything, so not sure what software to use with it, i did a quick google and found ponyprog and tried reading it with x2444 but not having any luck, ill post some pics of the board later, it does have a input jack for a power supply but wouldn't need it for this chip? Not for reading anyway. The board has http://www.nbglin.com written on it. I havn't used this ponyprog before but it seems to connect ok just can't get a read. Any Idea's?
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here's the programmer. i have it all correct?
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Might need to make an adapter, looking at the PCB pins 1-4 are all grounded which is fine for a normal 24cxx EEPROM. The 24c44 pinout is not the same so the I2C interface is on the wrong pins.
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Are you sure the ic isnt in the zif ass about or up the wrong end ?
Normally the pin 1 indentation doesnt face the bottom of the zif on other ics.
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it's a 3 chip setup, furtherest right socket space is for 25 chips middle is for 93 chips and left is for 24c chips. I hadn't really looked at the circuit or pinouts yet, big day and big week for me, so thanks VL400 guess ill have to figure out a adaptor, off to bed ill come back tomorrow lol :geek:
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Fairly sure the ebay ad said x24c44 via ICSP only, so you can't use the ZIF socket.
Yesterday I started putting together a bit banged pic to read/write these, but need to check it out with a scope because I'm not getting anything on the MISO line, but the data appears to be clocked in according to the datasheet.
It's probably something stupid like a broken pin on the nvram knowing my luck - or CE is really active low.... :oops:

Just saw your latest post - they're roughly pin compatible with 93c eeproms (reversed microwire pinout?) but pin 6 and 7 need to be pulled high.
On a 93cxx, those pins are NC and ORG from memory?
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festy wrote: Yesterday I started putting together a bit banged pic to read/write these, but need to check it out with a scope because I'm not getting anything on the MISO line, but the data appears to be clocked in according to the datasheet.
It's probably something stupid like a broken pin on the nvram knowing my luck - or CE is really active low.... :oops:
Using my sound card as a crude 'scope, it was pretty obvious my clk pulses weren't up to scratch so a slight change to the code and I'm getting data out of it now.
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It really is a square wave, but the damn AGC on the microphone line makes it look rather strange as it tries to average it out :(

Now to finish the code to read 16 bit words, and see if I can get a reasonable looking dump out of this thing...
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Close, but not quite there it seems...

I read this off a VP dash just then:

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addr: 0:63222
addr: 1:51530
addr: 2:510
addr: 3:2550
addr: 4:15810
addr: 5:27030
addr: 6:27030
addr: 7:62220
addr: 8:15810
addr: 9:27030
addr: 10:27030
addr: 11:62220
addr: 12:15810
addr: 13:27030
addr: 14:27030
addr: 15:62220
which is decimal for:

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18BC C94A 01FE 09F6 3DC2 6996 6996 F30C 
3DC2 6996 6996 F30C 3DC2 6996 6996 F30C
Now all the checksums appear to check out - but this dash's odo shows 343479kms, which should be C2 C2 E9.
Maybe I'm not catching the first bit on a read or something, but I would have expected garbage checksums in that case?

Edit: reading the nvram as 32x8 instead of 16x16 still produces the same data, so I don't think I'm missing the first bit on a read
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Which model car is that chip from?
Have you read the FAQ? For lots of information and links to significant threads see here: http://pcmhacking.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1396
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