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Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 3:16 pm
by Pete30nz
Does this tell us any thing?

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:27 am
by Gareth
The inlet gaskets are toast

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:07 am
by Charlescrown
I think Gareth is on the money with that one. I never did undersand the connection with the cooling system was but have come accross it many times now. Looks like you may have finally found the vacuum leak.

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:19 am
by Pete30nz
Thanks men, I plan to do them. If purchased the mace ones. But only learnt of the aluminium ones yesterday.

Cheers

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:28 pm
by Pete30nz
Tonight effort got me to this stage

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:30 am
by Gareth
To delete the balance shaft you need to drill and tap the oil galleries, best done to a bare block so the galleries can be cleaned afterwards.

Not really any benefit to a stock/street motor.

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:29 am
by Pete30nz
Thanks for the reply. I'm sure I'm getting some balance shaft bearing noise. Wondering whether to just take it out. This is the buick 3800, apparently this doesn't have the oil port for blocking?

Cheers

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:48 pm
by Charlescrown
I would think that at each end of the balance shaft would be a pressure fed bearing that would need bocking. From my experience with deleting balance shafts I would never do it again without a complete engine balance.

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:06 am
by Gampy
Charlescrown wrote:I would think that at each end of the balance shaft would be a pressure fed bearing that would need bocking. From my experience with deleting balance shafts I would never do it again without a complete engine balance.
IMO that should be the only time ...

-Enjoy

Re: Holden VR v6 - vacumm testing for unsmooth idle

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:26 am
by immortality
Pete30nz wrote:Thanks for the reply. I'm sure I'm getting some balance shaft bearing noise. Wondering whether to just take it out. This is the buick 3800, apparently this doesn't have the oil port for blocking?

Cheers
This is correct, Only the ecotecs (L36) had the pressure fed rear bearing.

One of the big issues with the V6 motors is the POS harmonic balancers fitted from the factory. For a harmonic balancer/dampener to work it needs to have mass which the OEM balancer is sorely lacking which is shit because these 90° V6 motors have some interesting vibrations/harmonics.

I deleted the balance shaft on my VN s1 engine, arguably the roughest of the V6 motors ever fitted to a Commodore, I added a Powerbond race spec balancer, double row timing chain and fitted new trans and engine mounts and it was the smoothest the engine ever ran.

You can disable the balance shaft just by removing the drive sprocket but you need to leave the sprocket behind the timing chain in place or the chain alignment will be off unless you fit a double row timing chain. Considering it's age the timing chain/tensioner is probably worn out too.

Opening up old engines is a can of worms....