Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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DethRattles wrote:heres the original pcm 2004 grand am gt, has an amd chip
heres my se version 2004 grand am amd chip
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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Looks like they're technically different operating systems but in practice they are very very similar. Ive removed the differences in the param blocks as thats more to do with identification of the pcms, and its history. Not relevant to the tunes you want to compare. This is simple hex compare of the two files. Its not really useful as you need something that can identify what this means, but it does show that while different, they are not that different.

Sounds like you had success with the test version of pcmhammer? :thumbup:
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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antus wrote:Looks like they're technically different operating systems but in practice they are very very similar. Ive removed the differences in the param blocks as thats more to do with identification of the pcms, and its history. Not relevant to the tunes you want to compare. This is simple hex compare of the two files. Its not really useful as you need something that can identify what this means, but it does show that while different, they are not that different.

Sounds like you had success with the test version of pcmhammer? :thumbup:
If i try and open up each one individually i dont get the accessories section on the se version. I get dtc and fuel when i open the tree. I also dont get the option of Al* I dont know how to make screenshots in windows :comp:
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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antus wrote:Looks like they're technically different operating systems but in practice they are very very similar. Ive removed the differences in the param blocks as thats more to do with identification of the pcms, and its history. Not relevant to the tunes you want to compare. This is simple hex compare of the two files. Its not really useful as you need something that can identify what this means, but it does show that while different, they are not that different.

Sounds like you had success with the test version of pcmhammer? :thumbup:
I think i had success,,, the se alpha version doesnt open like my original,,, i have lots of things missing? the number is supposed to be around 544 things in the tree(i get that in universal patcher tuner using my original gt file),,, i get 4? for the se in the tree. I dont think it captured everything. Gampy asked for my osid and his took hours to complete,,this one was fast. I think we should go the slow route with the se osid programmed in,,or else im missing something? I still have his experimental i can send you unleess you can tell me how to switch osid's easily?
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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The files are fine. Its because universal patcher coverage needs more work.

I did a compare in tunercats and this was the result. Compare was fine, both files checks are fine.

Free tools are pretty good for free, but you are on the bleeding edge here. You are the first person other than the developers to read a p04 with a properly working pcmhammer, and the software isnt released yet. There is still development work that will be needed in the tuning tools side, as well as write support and a little more checksum work in pcmhammer. You have what you have for free tools at this point.
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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antus wrote:The files are fine. Its because universal patcher coverage needs more work.

I did a compare in tunercats and this was the result. Compare was fine, both files checks are fine.

Free tools are pretty good for free, but you are on the bleeding edge here. You are the first person other than the developers to read a p04 with a properly working pcmhammer, and the software isnt released yet. There is still development work that will be needed in the tuning tools side, as well as write support and a little more checksum work in pcmhammer. You have what you have for free tools at this point.

I wish that i could figure out the changes in that text, its hard for me to figure out. Should i contact tiny tuner with my bin file? Is there a graph type tree option in tunercats with a side by side comparison? Navermind tunercats isnt free. Since i cant figure it out cant you tell me if its bad? Cant you take some differences out of that txt file and put them side by side? I'm failing to grasp it. I opened it tuner pro but cant figure out exctly what i'm doing. I dont understand why they don't have a side by side comparison
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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Well, if its listed its different. It tells you the differences between the two. So -1% or 200 rpm different. The headings with nothing under them mean no differences in that category. The blank parts of the table mean they are the same. It looks like mostly small tweaks to the auto tuning to liven it up a bit, and the abuse mode will let you go a bit harder under 2k rpm. All those changes would probably liven up a non-gt quite nicely if you used them as is, the only things that probably you need changed are the pulses per mile which is 200 different, the vin to match your car, and the security disabled. Then you somehow need the file written to the pcm.
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antus wrote:Well, if its listed its different. It tells you the differences between the two. So -1% or 200 rpm different. The headings with nothing under them mean no differences in that category. The blank parts of the table mean they are the same. It looks like mostly small tweaks to the auto tuning to liven it up a bit, and the abuse mode will let you go a bit harder under 2k rpm. All those changes would probably liven up a non-gt quite nicely if you used them as is, the only things that probably you need changed are the pulses per mile which is 200 different, the vin to match your car, and the security disabled. Then you somehow need the file written to the pcm.
i have the se version in my gt car unfortunately so i see i'm missing out on some potential to be had there. From what someone was saying that the intake is larger on the gt, it makes more sense to have more fuel. I was hoping it wasn't that extreme. I dont mind the the se version has a different vin, i,ll change it though. I guess i'm either going to buy tuner software or a new bcm to use with my gt pcm. 89$ for a bcm with my old gt pcm or how much to tune and flash? Tunerpro i'd think would cost me 38 donation and then i'd need two credits. Unless theres something else out there i can use with the vxdiag...or i be patient and wait for your awesome developement on Pcmhammer. I'm gonna wait:)
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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The only free thing for p04 with write is lsdroid and an xprogt interface.

There are no fuel or spark differences between the two PCMs. If you look at the difference file:
TABLES:


Spark Tables:


Fuel Tables:

Nothing in those areas.

If you cant make sense of the detail changes and headings in the text file heres a screenshot of the summary from the gui that lists the different params without showing you how much those items are changed. Looks like it might have a different diff ratio, but other wise be pretty similar. Reminds me of the types of changes we got in the Aussie HSVs.
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Re: Best way to compare two .bins side by side?

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antus wrote:The only free thing for p04 with write is lsdroid and an xprogt interface.

There are no fuel or spark differences between the two PCMs. If you look at the difference file:
TABLES:


Spark Tables:


Fuel Tables:

Nothing in those areas.
Im going to have to read up then and i never did contact lsdroid to see if they cover the grand am. I'll just keep it as is, now when you say the speed is pulses? Is that just saying my speedometer is off using the se version? I wonder if the gt got different sized tires.
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