Toyota 18R-G (808, NVRAM, USB)
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:44 pm
Hi,
I have been having trouble getting my engine to start, and then to run if it does start. It was running ok before the problems started, which happened mid-drive.
Engine:
Toyota 18R-G (4 cylinder), 44mm Individual throttles, 310 Deg cams with oversize valves, 12.5:1 compression with 3.5mm oversize bores. Compression tested OK.
Distributor is 18R-G original electronic points - single pick-up reluctor and 4 tooth trigger, each tooth approx 1 to 1.5mm thick and ~4mm long.
808 ECM with NVRAM and USB comms running $12P
Camira Ignition module, loom and sensors.
Bosch 35lb/hr high impedence injectors.
AEM Wideband with gauge - wired into ECM
The engine was running for over 6 months more-or-less trouble free, then was unused for 6 months.
Problem started on the first drive back on the road. It developed an intermittent misfire, which got worse until the engine stopped completely.
Each misfire resulted in the tachometer dropping toward zero. Tunerpro registered misfires as either min RPM (400) or Max RPM (9600)
It had no spark during cranking, tunerpro registering 9600RPM, which is above spark-cut/rev limit, which could explain the lack of spark.
I adjusted my reluctor air gap (smaller) and it started, drove for about 100m then died so I put it on a trailer.
2 days later it started, drove to get petrol and then had to push it most of the way home.
Here is the list of things I've done in trying to get it running again:
VS commodore ABS sensor with 2-tooth trigger mounted to the harmonic balancer. Teeth ~5mm wide. Air gap - tried a few between 0.5-1.5mm.
- successful triggering at 10deg during cranking and when turning engine by hand. No start but occasional attempts to fire, sometime out the inlet side.
Started once but ran very poorly until it died, timing light indicated spark timing of approx 20deg After TDC, which was confusing.
While running, there was a large amount of raw fuel coming from the exhaust (white cloud, I don't think it was condensation. It looked more like an old diesel on a cold start)
- coil spark was sometimes strong individual pulses when battery fully charged, sometimes continuous sparking on the 3rd or fourth attempt to start.
- Changed to a 2 slot trigger wheel, also set to 10deg.
Both trigger wheels were tried with reversed polarity on the ABS sensor.
Also tried a few other static advances (0, -10, 20, 40, nothing started the engine)
Replaced ignition module (2nd hand spare)
Replaced coil (2nd hand spare)
Replaced ECM (2nd hand spare with same modifications for RT tuning and USB comms)
No improvement
Tunerpro shows 200RPM while cranking with spikes of 9600 everytime it tries to fire.
Removed entire engine wiring loom and tested continuity at all ECM pins. All tested ok.
The sparkplugs are getting wet with fuel, enough to flood, and the engine tries to fire occasionally.
I can hear the injectors activate when the spark is triggered.
I can hear the fuel pumps trigger with the spark also, and feel pressure in the fuel line increase when that happens.
I've now reinstalled the electronic points in the distributor, which trigger at a very small air-gap (<0.1mm) but appear ineffective at larger gaps.
Can someone help me?
I'd like to sort this out as I hate being beaten by electronic problems and I'm doing everything I can to not give-up on the DELCO system.
I'd really like to avoid spending $2000 plus on changing to Haltech or Microtech for something reliable.
Cheers, Steve
I have been having trouble getting my engine to start, and then to run if it does start. It was running ok before the problems started, which happened mid-drive.
Engine:
Toyota 18R-G (4 cylinder), 44mm Individual throttles, 310 Deg cams with oversize valves, 12.5:1 compression with 3.5mm oversize bores. Compression tested OK.
Distributor is 18R-G original electronic points - single pick-up reluctor and 4 tooth trigger, each tooth approx 1 to 1.5mm thick and ~4mm long.
808 ECM with NVRAM and USB comms running $12P
Camira Ignition module, loom and sensors.
Bosch 35lb/hr high impedence injectors.
AEM Wideband with gauge - wired into ECM
The engine was running for over 6 months more-or-less trouble free, then was unused for 6 months.
Problem started on the first drive back on the road. It developed an intermittent misfire, which got worse until the engine stopped completely.
Each misfire resulted in the tachometer dropping toward zero. Tunerpro registered misfires as either min RPM (400) or Max RPM (9600)
It had no spark during cranking, tunerpro registering 9600RPM, which is above spark-cut/rev limit, which could explain the lack of spark.
I adjusted my reluctor air gap (smaller) and it started, drove for about 100m then died so I put it on a trailer.
2 days later it started, drove to get petrol and then had to push it most of the way home.
Here is the list of things I've done in trying to get it running again:
VS commodore ABS sensor with 2-tooth trigger mounted to the harmonic balancer. Teeth ~5mm wide. Air gap - tried a few between 0.5-1.5mm.
- successful triggering at 10deg during cranking and when turning engine by hand. No start but occasional attempts to fire, sometime out the inlet side.
Started once but ran very poorly until it died, timing light indicated spark timing of approx 20deg After TDC, which was confusing.
While running, there was a large amount of raw fuel coming from the exhaust (white cloud, I don't think it was condensation. It looked more like an old diesel on a cold start)
- coil spark was sometimes strong individual pulses when battery fully charged, sometimes continuous sparking on the 3rd or fourth attempt to start.
- Changed to a 2 slot trigger wheel, also set to 10deg.
Both trigger wheels were tried with reversed polarity on the ABS sensor.
Also tried a few other static advances (0, -10, 20, 40, nothing started the engine)
Replaced ignition module (2nd hand spare)
Replaced coil (2nd hand spare)
Replaced ECM (2nd hand spare with same modifications for RT tuning and USB comms)
No improvement
Tunerpro shows 200RPM while cranking with spikes of 9600 everytime it tries to fire.
Removed entire engine wiring loom and tested continuity at all ECM pins. All tested ok.
The sparkplugs are getting wet with fuel, enough to flood, and the engine tries to fire occasionally.
I can hear the injectors activate when the spark is triggered.
I can hear the fuel pumps trigger with the spark also, and feel pressure in the fuel line increase when that happens.
I've now reinstalled the electronic points in the distributor, which trigger at a very small air-gap (<0.1mm) but appear ineffective at larger gaps.
Can someone help me?
I'd like to sort this out as I hate being beaten by electronic problems and I'm doing everything I can to not give-up on the DELCO system.
I'd really like to avoid spending $2000 plus on changing to Haltech or Microtech for something reliable.
Cheers, Steve